In 2007, James Iandoli—host of Engaging the Phenomenon—had a life-changing series of events: a fireball UFO that seemed to respond to his thoughts, a trauma-induced out-of-body experience, and an unmistakable telepathic call to “come outside.” What happened next was a face-to-face encounter with a massive, low-flying craft—witnessed by family—followed by years of deep investigation into consciousness and contact.
In this episode, James recounts his story in detail, explores the connection between UFO encounters and altered states, and shares what he’s learned after years of practicing CE-5.
We discuss:
The “Did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico?” synchronicity
The fireball UFO and its strange responsiveness
Near-death experience parallels and the “light being”
The Nordic-type entities and telepathic download
Why CE-5 felt like a logical next step
The link between consciousness and contact
If you’ve ever wondered how contact can be both physical and consciousness-based, this is a conversation you won’t forget.
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00:00 Intro
02:11 Early experiences & 2007 turning point
06:54 “Did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico?” synchronicity
11:24 Fireball UFO responds to thought
16:32 Car accident & trauma-induced out-of-body experience
24:01 Telepathic call and Nordic-type entities
32:58 Hexagonal craft appears—family witnesses
42:36 The “download” and questions of interpretation
48:19 Discovering CE-5 & first field experiences
55:03 High-strangeness in CE-5 sessions
01:02:40 Correlations between NDEs, UFOs, and consciousness
01:10:15 What James believes now about contact
01:16:20 Closing thoughts & takeaways
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